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The Crimean Peninsula is both a playground and a battleground, coveted by Ukraine and Russia

The Crimean Peninsula is both a playground and a battleground, coveted by Ukraine and Russia
And joining us from Odessa, Hannah Shales director of security programs at the Ukrainian Prism Foreign Policy Think Tank. Thank you for being with us. Good evening. Also with us, writer and journalist Vladislav Davidson, non resident fellow at the Atlantic Council who joins us from outside of Paris. How are you? Nice to be back. Uh Let, let me begin with you, Hannah Shales. Were you surprised by those remarks? Uh which seemed to hint at the possibility that uh Crimea could be in the mix eventually. Unfortunately, Financial Times didn't give the quotation very carefully because we already have the clarification from Ambassador Sega that he never put under the question, the belonging of Crimea. The question is just will Ukraine take it by negotiations or by force? Because *** lot of people have been expecting that probably with the success of the South Ukraine will stop the full fledged military operation at the territory of Peninsula. But the question of belonging that Crimea is Ukraine is never is the topic for the negotiations for Ukraine. That is Ukraine and that will be initial and final position of Ukrainian government before the full scale invasion of February 22 22 Hannah, we spoke with weary Ukrainians who at the time said, listen, if we can have *** swap, we get the rest of Ukraine Russia gets Crimea. And we end with this nightmarish war which has been going on since 2014. We'll take it. Is that *** sentiment that's quietly shared? First of all, even before this full fledged aggression, that was not *** dominant position. And sociology demonstrated this. But after the Russian aggression of last year, the situation changed dramatically. Since May, you can hear more and more that it started in Crimea, it should finish in Crimea, meaning that without liberation of Crimea, Ukraine will never be able merely to become independent from the Russian colonial policy. But also you need to understand that the last year, it is the huge increase in the civil nonviolent resistance movement in Crimea, something we were not experiencing the previous nine years. Now, you see more and more partisans work more and more Ukrainian symbols appearing more and more actions, not only of the Crimean Tatars resistance, but of the Ukrainian national resistance as well. Because people started to feel that if *** Ukrainian armed forces, Ukrainian state was able to liberate to occupy Khay of key regions one day, it can happen with Crimea as well. And also Russians started to feel themselves not so stable there. You see it from their social networks, you see it from how their military and security forces are evacuating their families and selling their real estate there. So *** lot of indicators that the Russian occupiers are not feeling themselves as they are forever in Crimea. Yes. As you said, it started with Crimea and those little green men who seized the peninsula in March of 2014, no shots fired at the time with Ukrainian servicemen are overwhelmed. These are archive images we're showing you and Moscow then staged *** referendum that made it Russian again. Sanctions followed and *** ratcheting up of the fighting in the Donbas until that full scale invasion uh of uh of of last year. And if you look at the uh the the the map, uh you can see uh uh what, what's been uh what's been happening and uh this ratcheting up of fighting, of course, uh Vladislav Davidson, um facts have changed first off in Crimea itself with *** huge influx of Russian servicemen and their families who have moved there. It's not the same Crimea as it was in 2014. Surely not. First of all, great to be on with my dear friend Hanna who is like me, *** fellow. Lovely to see you, Hanna keep flying the flag. Uh Look, Crimea was *** red line for the Putin regime and you know, the Ukrainians keep inching towards that red line and the Russians don't do anything first. They tried with drones, they blow up some stuff with drones. The Russians didn't really do anything but they blew up the big bridge. Now there is inching towards heading in that direction which the Russian army is obviously preparing for. We have, we have uh Wall Street but the the Washington Post article with the satellite photos, you could just go on, on online and look at the actual trenches being built on the ground with the entrance to Crimea. And so you have *** situation where the, where the red line status of Crimea is no longer, you know, kind of red, it's kind of pink and maybe it's, it's becoming like ochre or something like that. We don't really know, uh if the Russians will, uh, will do what they, what they threatened to do, read the quote unquote red lines. And the other thing is that it's obvious now to anyone who watches the war from *** granular distance is that there is no way for the Ukrainians to win this without destroying the military capacity of the Russians to strike from, from the, from the, from the peninsula. There's just all these bases and all these military objectives there without which you cannot take control of the south of Ukraine. Ok. So here, here's the problem then Vladislav, you have on the one hand, the United States and there were remarks leaked of its Secretary of State back in February worrying that for Russia Crimea is *** red line. And on the other hand, as you say, the fact that Russia is digging in does *** demilitarized Crimea? Is that *** possible solution in the end? First of all, the neither side would, well, the Ukrainians would, would love that as *** start, but the Russians would never ever agree to that. Why would they, unless, unless the Ukrainians are really causing *** lot of damage there? Two, the Washington DC has *** consensus on allowing the Ukrainians to make the decisions about how far this will go. Except no one really knows in their hearts of hearts. If the Washington DC Blob and the National Security Council will actually allow and by allow, I mean, stand by the Ukrainians actually going on *** counter offensive in Crimea. That's the one red question that you have off the record, conversations with military analysts and DC people and National Security Council people. They don't actually have *** real answer for you. You know, we will allow the Ukrainians to go with all our help and all our support and all our military assistance and the intelligence and the satellite photos and the targeting information as far as they want to *** done boss and the rest of the country. But no one actually knows if the Ukrainians start going in against Crimea, if Washington DC will stand with them. And I don't know either. We're looking at *** map here and I want to bring in Hannah Shales for one final question on this of the front line in Ukraine, north of Crimea. Of course, the fighting rages, we've talked *** lot about her. So in the last couple of days, there were reports of powerful blasts overnight in the Russian occupied city of Melitopol. Melitopol. It's along *** key transit route that runs all the way down to Crimea. What's going on over there? Milli experienced quite *** number of blasts on not only this night but within the last two weeks, predominantly against the railway and ammunition deports and also the Russian soldiers stationing there. It is increased actions by the occupant over there. But at the same time, we definitely see the preparation from both sides, either for the counter offense or for defense. Mili Topol is extremely important and it opens the way to where these Parisian nuclear power stations and it opens the way to the south to liberate the bigger parts of the Paris and definitely region we know that forces are there and nobody is saying the exact dates. There were so many prayer announcements but as previously in the north and the south, that will be *** surprise. First of all, for Russians, when the real counter start, when it starts and we shall see uh do you expect it to be *** matter of days? Weeks? I expect it more *** matter of days because we are now with the better weather and the weather is important for the heavy equipment coming there. At the same time, we see the preparation to these in terms of targeting logistics and ammunition that Russians have there. That's important, that is the same pattern that we in other regions and definitely different statements from our partners from the Ukrainian side. Give us *** hint that we are definitely expecting some big breakthrough or not in the summer, but something already in April. Hannah Charles. Many thanks for joining us from Odessa. I want to thank Vladislav Davidson for being with us outside of Paris.
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The Crimean Peninsula is both a playground and a battleground, coveted by Ukraine and Russia
Its balmy beaches have been vacation spots for Russian czars and Soviet general secretaries. It has hosted history-shaking meetings of world leaders and boasts a strategic naval base. And it has been the site of ethnic persecution, forced deportations and political repression.Related video above - The Crimea Option: Could the peninsula's status be up for discussion?Now, as Russia's war in Ukraine enters its 18th month, the Crimean Peninsula is again both a playground and a battleground, with drone attacks and bombs seeking to dislodge Moscow's hold on the territory and bring it back under Kyiv's authority, no matter how loudly the Kremlin proclaims its ownership.Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelenskyy has vowed to retake the diamond-shaped peninsula that Russia's Vladimir Putin illegally annexed in 2014.For both presidents, backing off Crimea is hardly an option.Moscow deployed troops and weapons there, allowing Russian forces to quickly seize large parts of southern Ukraine when the war began in 2022. Kyiv says the militarization of Crimea threatens all countries in the Black Sea region. 'Crimea is ours!'Putin's annexation in 2014 was quick and bloodless. While Ukraine was still grappling with the aftermath of the uprising that forced pro-Moscow President Victor Yanukovich from office, men in military uniforms without insignia took control of Crimea.They helped orchestrate a referendum on the peninsula, and pro-Kremlin authorities said the results showed an almost unanimous desire of its residents to become part of Russia.Putin's popularity soared. His approval ratings, which had been declining, soared from 65% in January of that year to 86% in June, according to the Levada Center, an independent Russian pollster."Krym nash!" — or "Crimea is ours!" — became a rallying cry in Russia. But only a handful of countries, such as North Korea and Sudan, recognized the move.Putin has called Crimea "a sacred place," and has prosecuted those who publicly argue it is part of Ukraine. Zelenskyy has repeatedly said that "Russia won't be able to steal" the peninsula.A strategic assetCrimea's unique position in the Black Sea makes it a strategically important asset for whoever controls it, and Russia has spent centuries fighting for it.Crimea was home to Turkic-speaking Tatars when the Russian empire first annexed it in the 18th century. It briefly regained independence as a Tatar republic two centuries later before becoming swallowed by the Soviet Union.In 1944, Soviet dictator Josef Stalin deported nearly 200,000 Tatars, or about a third of Crimea's population, to Central Asia, 3,200 kilometers (2,000 miles) to the east. Stalin had accused them of collaborating with Nazi Germany — a claim widely dismissed by historians. An estimated half of them died in the next 18 months of hunger and harsh conditions.Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev transferred it to Ukraine in 1954 to commemorate the 300th anniversary of the unification of Moscow and Kyiv. But that symbolic move backfired in 1991 when the USSR collapsed and the peninsula became part of newly independent Ukraine."For the majority of Russians, as well as for the Russian political elite, Crimea has always been perceived as given to Ukraine unfairly. Crimea has always been perceived as Russian," Tatiana Stanovaya, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center, told The Associated Press.Russia kept a foot in the door, however: Its Black Sea Fleet had a base in the city of Sevastopol, and Crimea — as part of Ukraine — continued to host it.The base was of major military value to Moscow, and that was likely a key factor for the Kremlin's decision to annex the peninsula in 2014, according to Graeme Robertson of the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill."Sevastopol really matters for the Russian fleet and for access to the Mediterranean, and for Russia to be a power that's able to close the Black Sea and exercise control over Ukraine's economic viability and political viability," Robertson said in an interview. "I think that is, at the end of the day, why the annexation took place."Repressions against the Crimean Tatars continued under Putin, despite Moscow's denials of discrimination. They strongly opposed the annexation, and an estimated 30,000 of them fled the peninsula between 2014 and 2021.Some who stayed faced a relentless crackdown by Russia, which rejects accusations of discrimination but nevertheless banned the Tatars' main representative body and some religious groups. About 80 Tatars have been convicted in the crackdown, Amnesty International reported in 2021, and 15 activists have gone missing.Crimea's emotional valueBeyond its strategic value, Crimea has a special resonance for Russians — "an emotional and almost sort of quasi-religious kind of thing," said Sam Greene, a professor of Russian politics at King's College London.Some of it may be based on its history.Sevastopol was a preferred holiday destination for Nicholas II, the last Russian czar, and his family. The southern town of Yalta was the prime holiday destination during Soviet times, with many sanatoriums built in and around it. It drew worldwide attention when Stalin, U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill met there in 1945 to discuss the fate of Germany and Europe after World War II.Foros, another resort town near Sevastopol, held the state dachas of Soviet leaders. President Mikhail Gorbachev was vacationing there in 1991 when hard-liners opposed to his rule put him under house arrest during a failed coup d'etat.When Greene and Robertson conducted a survey of Russians both before and after Putin seized Crimea in 2014, they noted a change in the respondents' demeanor."All of a sudden, they felt that corruption was less of an issue in the country," Greene said. "And they were optimistic about the economy, both personally, in terms of their own welfare, and how the country as a whole was likely to do in the future. And their memories of the 1990s have improved."This optimism held for four years but began deflating in 2018. Putin's popularity fell to under 70% in the summer of 2018 after he was re-elected and made unpopular economic moves such as raising the retirement age.The full-scale war in Ukraine in 2022 reinstated that rallying effect to a degree, Greene says, but if the Kremlin loses Crimea or requires a significant effort to keep it, people "might come to the conclusion that Putin is not the man for the job."Stanovaya, the political analyst, says few in Moscow believe Ukraine is capable of retaking Crimea, even with the increased attacks that include those on Putin's prized asset -– the Kerch Bridge linking Crimea to Russia, which was struck in October 2022 and again last month — and other targets, such as an ammunition depot on July 22."It is, of course, irritating, but it is viewed as political investments directed at (Ukraine's) domestic audience and at the West," she said.Some ordinary Russians seem unbothered as well -– many still flocked to Crimea's resorts this summer. After July's attack on the bridge, Russian media found multiple vacationers undeterred by authorities telling them to travel to the peninsula through the occupied parts of Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions of Ukraine, even though all three are on the front line of the fighting.Still, tourism has suffered, with some of the peninsula's beaches turned into fortifications and some hotels and guest houses reporting vacancies. Ukraine's stake in CrimeaBy the time of the 2014 Russian annexation, Crimea had been part of Ukraine for 60 years. Leonid Kravchuk, the first president of independent Ukraine, said Kyiv had invested some $100 billion into the peninsula between 1991 and 2014.It also has become part of Ukraine's identity as well.Before the invasion, Zelenskyy was focused on diplomatic efforts to get Crimea back, but after Russian troops rolled across the border, Kyiv started publicly contemplating retaking the peninsula by force.It won't be easy, as "Russia seeks to deploy the maximum number of different types of weapons there," military analyst Roman Svytan told AP, because its position between the Black Sea and the Azov Sea gives Moscow "the military key to the entire region."From a security perspective, Ukraine needs Crimea to be fully independent and have control over activities in the Black Sea, Robertson said."Any deal that would cede Crimea to the Russians as part of a peace settlement would be very hard to sell in Ukraine," he added.So it's very important for Kyiv "to signal to the West that this is a war about getting all of Ukraine back," Robertson said. "This is not about getting eastern Ukraine and southern Ukraine and then cutting a deal."___Associated Press writer Yuras Karmanau in Tallinn, Estonia, contributed.

Its balmy beaches have been vacation spots for Russian czars and Soviet general secretaries. It has hosted history-shaking meetings of world leaders and boasts a strategic naval base. And it has been the site of ethnic persecution, forced deportations and political repression.

Related video above - The Crimea Option: Could the peninsula's status be up for discussion?

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Now, as Russia's war in Ukraine enters its 18th month, the Crimean Peninsula is again both a playground and a battleground, with drone attacks and bombs seeking to dislodge Moscow's hold on the territory and bring it back under Kyiv's authority, no matter how loudly the Kremlin proclaims its ownership.

Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelenskyy has vowed to retake the diamond-shaped peninsula that Russia's Vladimir Putin illegally annexed in 2014.

For both presidents, backing off Crimea is hardly an option.

Moscow deployed troops and weapons there, allowing Russian forces to quickly seize large parts of southern Ukraine when the war began in 2022. Kyiv says the militarization of Crimea threatens all countries in the Black Sea region.

'Crimea is ours!'

Putin's annexation in 2014 was quick and bloodless. While Ukraine was still grappling with the aftermath of the uprising that forced pro-Moscow President Victor Yanukovich from office, men in military uniforms without insignia took control of Crimea.

They helped orchestrate a referendum on the peninsula, and pro-Kremlin authorities said the results showed an almost unanimous desire of its residents to become part of Russia.

Putin's popularity soared. His approval ratings, which had been declining, soared from 65% in January of that year to 86% in June, according to the Levada Center, an independent Russian pollster.

"Krym nash!" — or "Crimea is ours!" — became a rallying cry in Russia. But only a handful of countries, such as North Korea and Sudan, recognized the move.

Putin has called Crimea "a sacred place," and has prosecuted those who publicly argue it is part of Ukraine. Zelenskyy has repeatedly said that "Russia won't be able to steal" the peninsula.

A strategic asset

Crimea's unique position in the Black Sea makes it a strategically important asset for whoever controls it, and Russia has spent centuries fighting for it.

Crimea was home to Turkic-speaking Tatars when the Russian empire first annexed it in the 18th century. It briefly regained independence as a Tatar republic two centuries later before becoming swallowed by the Soviet Union.

In 1944, Soviet dictator Josef Stalin deported nearly 200,000 Tatars, or about a third of Crimea's population, to Central Asia, 3,200 kilometers (2,000 miles) to the east. Stalin had accused them of collaborating with Nazi Germany — a claim widely dismissed by historians. An estimated half of them died in the next 18 months of hunger and harsh conditions.

Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev transferred it to Ukraine in 1954 to commemorate the 300th anniversary of the unification of Moscow and Kyiv. But that symbolic move backfired in 1991 when the USSR collapsed and the peninsula became part of newly independent Ukraine.

"For the majority of Russians, as well as for the Russian political elite, Crimea has always been perceived as given to Ukraine unfairly. Crimea has always been perceived as Russian," Tatiana Stanovaya, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center, told The Associated Press.

Russia kept a foot in the door, however: Its Black Sea Fleet had a base in the city of Sevastopol, and Crimea — as part of Ukraine — continued to host it.

The base was of major military value to Moscow, and that was likely a key factor for the Kremlin's decision to annex the peninsula in 2014, according to Graeme Robertson of the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

"Sevastopol really matters for the Russian fleet and for access to the Mediterranean, and for Russia to be a power that's able to close the Black Sea and exercise control over Ukraine's economic viability and political viability," Robertson said in an interview. "I think that is, at the end of the day, why the annexation took place."

Repressions against the Crimean Tatars continued under Putin, despite Moscow's denials of discrimination. They strongly opposed the annexation, and an estimated 30,000 of them fled the peninsula between 2014 and 2021.

Some who stayed faced a relentless crackdown by Russia, which rejects accusations of discrimination but nevertheless banned the Tatars' main representative body and some religious groups. About 80 Tatars have been convicted in the crackdown, Amnesty International reported in 2021, and 15 activists have gone missing.

Crimea's emotional value

Beyond its strategic value, Crimea has a special resonance for Russians — "an emotional and almost sort of quasi-religious kind of thing," said Sam Greene, a professor of Russian politics at King's College London.

Some of it may be based on its history.

Sevastopol was a preferred holiday destination for Nicholas II, the last Russian czar, and his family. The southern town of Yalta was the prime holiday destination during Soviet times, with many sanatoriums built in and around it. It drew worldwide attention when Stalin, U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill met there in 1945 to discuss the fate of Germany and Europe after World War II.

Foros, another resort town near Sevastopol, held the state dachas of Soviet leaders. President Mikhail Gorbachev was vacationing there in 1991 when hard-liners opposed to his rule put him under house arrest during a failed coup d'etat.

When Greene and Robertson conducted a survey of Russians both before and after Putin seized Crimea in 2014, they noted a change in the respondents' demeanor.

"All of a sudden, they felt that corruption was less of an issue in the country," Greene said. "And they were optimistic about the economy, both personally, in terms of their own welfare, and how the country as a whole was likely to do in the future. And their memories of the 1990s have improved."

This optimism held for four years but began deflating in 2018. Putin's popularity fell to under 70% in the summer of 2018 after he was re-elected and made unpopular economic moves such as raising the retirement age.

The full-scale war in Ukraine in 2022 reinstated that rallying effect to a degree, Greene says, but if the Kremlin loses Crimea or requires a significant effort to keep it, people "might come to the conclusion that Putin is not the man for the job."

Stanovaya, the political analyst, says few in Moscow believe Ukraine is capable of retaking Crimea, even with the increased attacks that include those on Putin's prized asset -– the Kerch Bridge linking Crimea to Russia, which was struck in October 2022 and again last month — and other targets, such as an ammunition depot on July 22.

"It is, of course, irritating, but it is viewed as political investments directed at (Ukraine's) domestic audience and at the West," she said.

Some ordinary Russians seem unbothered as well -– many still flocked to Crimea's resorts this summer. After July's attack on the bridge, Russian media found multiple vacationers undeterred by authorities telling them to travel to the peninsula through the occupied parts of Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions of Ukraine, even though all three are on the front line of the fighting.

Still, tourism has suffered, with some of the peninsula's beaches turned into fortifications and some hotels and guest houses reporting vacancies.

Ukraine's stake in Crimea

By the time of the 2014 Russian annexation, Crimea had been part of Ukraine for 60 years. Leonid Kravchuk, the first president of independent Ukraine, said Kyiv had invested some $100 billion into the peninsula between 1991 and 2014.

It also has become part of Ukraine's identity as well.

Before the invasion, Zelenskyy was focused on diplomatic efforts to get Crimea back, but after Russian troops rolled across the border, Kyiv started publicly contemplating retaking the peninsula by force.

It won't be easy, as "Russia seeks to deploy the maximum number of different types of weapons there," military analyst Roman Svytan told AP, because its position between the Black Sea and the Azov Sea gives Moscow "the military key to the entire region."

From a security perspective, Ukraine needs Crimea to be fully independent and have control over activities in the Black Sea, Robertson said.

"Any deal that would cede Crimea to the Russians as part of a peace settlement would be very hard to sell in Ukraine," he added.

So it's very important for Kyiv "to signal to the West that this is a war about getting all of Ukraine back," Robertson said. "This is not about getting eastern Ukraine and southern Ukraine and then cutting a deal."

___

Associated Press writer Yuras Karmanau in Tallinn, Estonia, contributed.